our taxes are just too low. we need higher taxes on wealthier people. >> we need jobs. >> there's not going to be a shortage of capital, there's plenty of capital, it's just awash in capital and that's not the problem. >> our problem is not-- is not that taxes are too low, they're not. because if they were lower we'd get more jobs and more revenue, that's exactly what we need, ben, let me tell you something, you raise taxes we're going back-- >> absolutely. i couldn't agree with that more. and the deficit gets with bigger and the deficit gets bigger. >> raise taxes and-- >> we've got, okay, adam. can you break this? what do you think? which side are you on here, a fiscal cliff, how do we address this, higher taxes, lower taxes? >> we won't have a sequester for more than a few days. i can see it happening, but it won't last very long. what we have to have higher taxes. >> no, come on. >> and we know that, we will. >> all right i tell you what-- >> you know what, we'll have double dip recession. >> we may be going